Legislature(2007 - 2008)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/27/2008 01:30 PM Senate FINANCE


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= HB 233 UNCLAIMED PHONE/ELEC COOP DISTRIBUTIONS
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SENATE CS FOR CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 233(L&C)                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  relating to  giving  notice of  unclaimed  net                                                                   
     margin  distributions  made  by electric  and  telephone                                                                   
     cooperatives."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DEREK MILLER, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE KELLY, read from Sponsor                                                                    
Statement:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The   purpose  of   HB  233   addresses  the   sometimes                                                                   
     burdensome  and  ineffective  noticing  requirements  of                                                                   
     unclaimed  property  law  regarding capital  credits  of                                                                   
     electric  and   telephone  cooperatives.   Electric  and                                                                   
     telephone cooperative  from time to time  receive excess                                                                   
     revenue  from  members  that   exceed  the  expenses  of                                                                   
     operations. The cooperative  keeps these excess revenues                                                                   
     in  a   member-owned  capital  account   called  capital                                                                   
     credits, on behalf of the member.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Cooperatives  may   refund  a  portion   of  accumulated                                                                   
     capital  credits,  but  in some  cases  the  cooperative                                                                   
     seeking  to refund the  capital credits  no loner  has a                                                                   
     valid  address for  the  member. As  a  result, many  go                                                                   
     unclaimed. Current Alaska  unclaimed property law allows                                                                   
     the credits  to revert back  to the cooperative  as long                                                                   
     as the  cooperative, at  least six  months prior  to the                                                                   
     reversion 1)  mailed a notice  to last known  address of                                                                   
     the member; 20 publishes  a notice of proposed reversion                                                                   
     in the same manner required  for publishing a service of                                                                   
     commons  by publication;  and 3)  publishes a notice  of                                                                   
     the unclaimed  capital credits  four times,  during four                                                                   
     consecutive  calendar  weeks  in a  newspaper  of  local                                                                   
     circulation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     While  mailing   to  last   known  address   of  members                                                                   
     sometimes   result   in   finding   members,   newspaper                                                                   
     publication  does not result  in a significant  increase                                                                   
     in the number  of members who cash their  capital credit                                                                   
     checks,  particularly  for   rural  cooperatives.  As  a                                                                   
     result, cost of compliance  with this notice requirement                                                                   
     is significant  and the  effectiveness is  questionable.                                                                   
     HB  233 allows  cooperatives  the  option  of using  the                                                                   
     internet,  instead of newspaper  publication,  to notify                                                                   
     its members of unclaimed  capital credits. Alaska is the                                                                   
     most "wired"  state in the country and  this bill allows                                                                   
     for  cooperative to  notify its  members using  a method                                                                   
     most likely to reach them.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:40:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  inquired how  many areas  in Alaska  do not                                                                   
have internet access and if it is a problem.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Miller referred  to  Marilyn Leland  Executive  Director                                                                   
Alaska Power Association to better answer that question.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  referenced page  2, line  3, and  asked why                                                                   
the posting on the website was for 180 days.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:41:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Miller explained that the  bill was originally introduced                                                                   
with a  thirty day  posting then the  House Labor  & Commerce                                                                   
Committee  amended  that  to  180 days.  There  has  been  no                                                                   
objection from cooperatives regarding the change.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:42:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson asked if consideration  was given to the use of                                                                   
the Permanent  Fund Division's  address list to  notify those                                                                   
owed a  credit. Mr.  Miller responded  that  it had not  been                                                                   
considered but he would look into the possibility.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:43:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson felt  the use of the Permanent  Fund Division's                                                                   
address listing was a more effective  way to find members and                                                                   
offered to propose an amendment to that effect.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:43:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman reminded  the Committee  that this  was the                                                                   
first hearing  HB 233 and there  would be time  for questions                                                                   
and concerns to be addressed.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Miller informed  the  Committee that  Chugiak  Consumers                                                                   
Consortium  reviewed   the  bill   and  felt  confident   the                                                                   
consumers were being adequately notified.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:44:45 PM                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Thomas expressed  confusion over  the term  "member"                                                                   
noting that those needing to be  contacted would no longer be                                                                   
members. Mr. Miller agreed.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:45:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton asked the notification  process used by utility                                                                   
companies  that are  not  cooperatives.  Mr. Miller  answered                                                                   
that   the   bill  only   covers   telephone   and   electric                                                                   
cooperatives  and  he would  need  to  check into  how  other                                                                   
private  utilities   handle  notices  of   unclaimed  capital                                                                   
credits.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton  wanted to assure  that the state  was treating                                                                   
both cooperative  and non  cooperative utilities  equally. He                                                                   
further noted  that there may be legal  limitations regarding                                                                   
the  use  Permanent  Fund Division  information  and  it  may                                                                   
require a change in the law.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:46:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman suggested  that  the bill's  sponsor  check                                                                   
with the Permanent Fund Division  regarding legal limitations                                                                   
to release address information.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:47:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  WILKENSON,  CHIEF EXECUTIVE  OFFICER,  COPPER  VALLEY                                                                   
ELECTRIC  ASSOCIATION   and  VICE  PRESIDENT,   ALASKA  POWER                                                                   
ASSOCIATION  testified via  teleconference in  support  of HB
233. He explained that the Alaska  electric industry includes                                                                   
municipal utilities  and a  few investor-owned utilities  but                                                                   
was mostly  made up of  nonprofit electric cooperatives.  The                                                                   
distinguishable aspect  of cooperatives is that  they operate                                                                   
on a nonprofit  basis; by law  the monies received  in excess                                                                   
of the cost of operations are  a "contribution of capital" by                                                                   
the member.  The utility policy  states that the  credits are                                                                   
allocated to  customers, pending  refund. He elaborated  that                                                                   
in some  cases the refunds may  not be made for  a generation                                                                   
or  even longer,  which  presents  the problem  of  unclaimed                                                                   
refunds. He indicated that the  180 day notice was arrived at                                                                   
from an  existing statute  whereby a year  after a  refund is                                                                   
declared, if unclaimed refunds  have been noticed for a year,                                                                   
six months  prior to the 180  days those funds may  revert to                                                                   
the utilities.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He noted staff on both the House  and Senate side worked with                                                                   
the utilities  to make  changes to  HB 233.  The goal  of the                                                                   
utilities  is  to  complete the  contract  with  members  and                                                                   
return any  capital credits due.  Mr. Wilkenson  responsed to                                                                   
Senator Thomas'  earlier comment  regarding "members"  said a                                                                   
differentiation  could   be  made  by  using   "members"  and                                                                   
"inactive members" terminology.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:52:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARILYN LELAND, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,  ALASKA POWER ASSOCIATION                                                                   
testified via teleconference and  commented on the previously                                                                   
asked  question regarding  the  number  of companies  without                                                                   
internet. She  believed most companies  had the  internet and                                                                   
this  bill could  be an  incentive  to use  the internet  for                                                                   
those  who  do  not already.  She  further  noted  that  some                                                                   
companies are already noticing  members through the internet.                                                                   
She described that  the funds, once returned  to the utility,                                                                   
are generally  given back into the communities.  She provided                                                                   
an   example   of  communities   using   funds   for   school                                                                   
scholarships.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:54:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HB  233  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in  Committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
RECESS:  1:55:37 PM                                                                                                           
RECONVENED: 5:12:58 PM                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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